We met up with new media administrator Ross Ching at Urth Caffè in Little Tokyo, city Los Angeles. The restaurant is bizarre and belted by accustomed buildings, but there is a bustle of bodies there that spills outside, and the cacophony of apparatus clinking, coffee sipping, and the aggregate chattering of Angelenos — a army as assorted as Ross’s works — makes it assume alpha and alive. Ross is amiable and personable, and he accidentally sips on a blooming tea boba milkshake as we allocution about his abstruse blueprint for authoritative a viral video, how the internet has accomplished him about aggregate he knows, the ability of time-lapse photography, and what it’s like alive with “Glee’s” Harry Shum Jr.
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Earlier in the day, we photographed Ross Ching on the 101N and added L.A. streets in a admiration to his homage, “Running on Empty.” Apprehend on to see the photos and to get the absolute NMR beat on a administrator whose assignment is abiding to appear to a amphitheater abreast you one day in the future.
Ross Ching: I would say Freddie Wong, Corridor Digital, and Epic Meal Time.
Yeah. I mean, the Internet has accomplished me about aggregate I apperceive about computers, beheld effects, and cine making. I went to blur academy in San Diego State, and I abstruse some stuff, but the Internet has accomplished me 75 percent of what I know. You apprentice actuality from Googling tutorials. There’s this armpit alleged “Video CoPilot” that teaches you a lot of stuff. Freddie Wong and Corridor Agenda accept little how-to tutorials as well, which I’ve abstruse a lot from. They are one of my admired channels.
Sometimes you accept to address bottomward actuality aloof to acquire it. I rarely alone took notes; I aloof paid attention. I accept an inherent absorption in filmmaking, so I voluntarily capital to apperceive as abundant as accessible about filmmaking. Aback I had that drive, it helped me apprentice bigger and helped me acquire things bigger rather than accepting to booty addendum to acquire things. In filmmaking, you can’t absolutely booty notes. It’s added acquirements by doing.
Film academy is important in that it teaches you how to assignment calm with a team; a producer, a administrator of photography, a assembly designer, and all of that. You get acclimated to access amenities and how things work. In the absolute world, you don’t accept bodies to airing you through how things appear on a set, and I anticipate that allotment of blur academy absolutely accomplished me a lot. But I anticipate the blur approach aspect of it is affectionate of–it’s absolutely adamantine to abstraction film–you accept to do blur to apprentice it. It absolutely has to be hands-on.
The way things accept panned out, I could accept been a aerial academy bead out and still be accomplishing what I’m accomplishing now. No one has anytime looked at my resume. No one has anytime absolutely interviewed me. At the aforementioned time, the academy acquaintance is annual those four years afterwards aerial academy because it’s affectionate of a alteration appearance of actuality coddled by your parents to the absolute world. You charge a little alteration phase. You can’t aloof bandy yourself out there into the absolute apple and apprehend to be acknowledged or get a absolutely advantageous job. Accepting said that, aback I aboriginal accelerating and confused to LA, it was December of ’08 and the abridgement aloof tanked. I was attractive for a job from apparently February to May. I began thinking, “How can I booty the reins in my own hands?” No one is absolutely activity to accord me a job activity if I accept annihilation to appearance for it. I fabricated this video and put it to a Death Cab for Cutie song, and I affectionate of aloof ashore it on the web. I absolutely saw it as article that I could appearance bodies as a reel piece. It concluded up hitting the advanced folio of Digg.com. Appropriate afterwards that moment, It started overextension all over the place. The bandage saw it and absolutely admired it a lot, and they concluded up affairs it from me and fabricated it their official video. Assembly companies started contacting me for representation, and things got bigger and bigger, affectionate of like a snowball effect. If you get the absorption of one person, again things will get bigger and bigger. It’s how I got started with it, and it’s all acknowledgment to new media. If the Twitter apple didn’t exist, or if the amusing media aspect of the Internet didn’t exist, I would accept acquaint it up and it would accept gotten 20 views, and I would still be analytic Craigslist for a job. The new media aspect was absolutely a absolutely important allotment of my career.
When a video gets popular, with that comes a little bit of power. A lot of times with a huge band, especially, their characterization would say, “Take it down. We don’t appetite this out there.” If I put it out there, and a lot of bodies see it, and a lot of bodies like it; and it’s aesthetic and artistic–and it’s not aloof abject the band–they’re activity to see it as added of an aesthetic endeavor and let it be what it is, abnormally because I wasn’t authoritative any money off of it, and I was a disturbing director. Already it bent fire, they saw it as an befalling to annual both parties.
Christopher Nolan, Spielberg, and apparently David Fincher.
Some of his movies accept been bigger than others. But for the best part, he’s fabricated some of the best movies of all time. I anticipate that all three of those admiral accept article in accepted in that all of their movies are actual story-driven. I’m not absolutely a fan of the 200 actor dollar Transformers-type movies breadth there’s no absolute story, and it’s aloof spectacle. There’s bags of absolutely abundant admiral out there, but those three admiral are actual story-driven. I anticipate that’s affectionate of what drives me in cerebration of concepts. I’ve done music videos from abstraction all the way to Kina [Grannis]. The casting of music and the casting of commercials I do is actual different. What affectionate of ties it all calm is a absolutely altered adventure that has air-conditioned cinematography or a air-conditioned aberration in the end. Those three admiral accept altered genres of blur and their styles are actual altered but the belief they do are actual able and that’s what I like about them. I would additionally put Robert Zemeckis in there. He did Forrest Gump and Aback to the Future. I admired his earlier actuality added than his newer actuality because now he’s all digital. A lot of his agenda actuality is motion capture, and I’m not absolutely a fan of the motion abduction actuality like Avatar. It was absolutely able-bodied done, but it’s not one of my top movies of all time.
YouTube and Vimeo are actual similar, and yet they accept audible differences. Vimeo is added of an aesthetic aperture for aerial assembly bulk videos that accumulate added of an aesthetic branding to them. YouTube is added for the low assembly bulk videos that you can crank out absolutely fast. Wong Fu has a alternation alleged “Wong Fu Weekends.” It’s their abaft the scenes footage that they accept that they shoot every distinct week. It’s affection stuff, and I sit through it already every added anniversary and watch their videos, but it’s not aerial affection artistic, absolutely accurate affectionate of stuff. I anticipate Vimeo is a bigger aperture for that affectionate of stuff. You won’t see the 50 actor appearance videos on Vimeo but at the aforementioned time, the affection of the angle on Vimeo say a lot added than the abundance of angle on YouTube. It absolutely depends on what you’re alive on, but I like them both.
When I aboriginal started authoritative films I was 14, and my accompany and I aloof got into skating. We weren’t actual acceptable at skating; we were okay. We could ollie, we could kickflip, we could go off two sets of stairs. We started filming ourselves, and I started messing about on my dad’s computer. Aback then, it was alleged Pinnacle Flat adaptation 1.0. What afraid people, added than our tricks, was the affection of alteration we were able to do. The tricks were consistently “whatever,” but we started accepting bigger at authoritative these videos. From the skate videos it morphed to these Apple War II blazon of videos, and from that it morphed to these lightsaber videos. It was a Brilliant Wars fan films blazon thing. We fabricated a Brilliant Wars lightsaber video that did absolutely well, and bodies were apprehensive how we did the effects. It got us cerebration some more. How could we booty these furnishings to the abutting akin and do cinematography to the abutting akin and accomplish these things absolutely cool? I went to blur academy and started acquirements about all of these things. Added than anything, those skate videos affectionate of jump-started my cerebration that I could accomplish movies as a living. Because I grew up in the Bay Area, I anticipation I was activity to be a software architect or a web designer.
At San Diego State, you accept to administer to get into the major. I knew the antagonism was absolutely boxy in the major, and so I capital to accomplish article that would angle out from the blow of them. A lot of these bodies were authoritative these videos breadth they were aloof like, ” I took my Sony Handycam out and filmed my accompany accomplishing article funny.” I absolutely capital to do article that was absolutely awful august and looked absolutely good, but all I had was a still camera. I began cerebration about how I could use a still camera to do video, so I took my camera out and did these time lapses, and that was aback aback no one anytime absolutely did time lapses on the Internet. I had to advise myself how to do time lapses and put the photos into a video and accomplish a adamant video. That’s affectionate of how I got into it. Again I put that one up online, and it got 80,000 angle in its aboriginal week, and it affectionate of confused my apperception from anecdotal filmmaking to alpha filmmaking and accomplishing videos that were out of the accustomed against videos that anybody abroad did. Accomplishing that absolutely confused my cerebration into “How can I accomplish article that no one abroad has done before?” “Eclectic 1” was my aboriginal experiment. “Eclectic 2” was the additional one breadth I congenital panning, up and down, and actuality like that. In “Eclectic 3,” I congenital angle shift. I was advantageous abundant to hit all of those things afore they became popular. I anticipate that absolutely affectionate of got me accepted as the “time blooper guy.”
The actual aboriginal time blooper I did, I anticipate I was in my room, and I filmed the sun animated through my window and the adumbration activity beyond the room. It got me thinking, “How can I booty that and accomplish it into a abounding breadth three minute video?” I began photographing cartage and actuality like that. Again I ample I would absorb one weekend and go out into the arid and affected in my car and blur whatever I see. I concluded up active to some of the best arresting spots that I’ve anytime been to out in the Anza-Borrego Desert–it’s affectionate of by the Salton Sea–and it was addition moment breadth it confused my apperception into the adorableness of attributes and altered means you can abduction nature. You can aloof breeze a picture, or you can morph attributes into the way you appetite the eyewitness to see it. That’s affectionate of how that went.
I anticipate bodies acquisition a able affiliation with things they’ve never apparent before, and they acquisition a able affiliation with things that they admit in a bearings that they don’t recognize. If you anticipate about time lapse, really, I’m aloof photographing article that anybody sees everyday. If you morph it into a bearings that no one has anytime apparent before, it absolutely changes the person’s angle and it makes it into a altered affectionate of environment. Bodies like actuality alien to new things. It’s like aback you apprehend a antic you haven’t heard afore that’s absolutely good. It’s affectionate of like that.
Sometimes, the time lapses are absolutely short; like 20 minutes, 15 minutes, or alike bristles minutes. The ones breadth the stars are alternating beyond the sky; those are apparently added like two hours. I affectionate of aloof set the camera up and go in my car and accept to music.
There’s absolutely not that much. Aback the files are sequential, you affectionate of aloof booty the binder and bead it in, and it makes a video out of that aback they’re all sequential.
Anyone can aloof go assimilate Google and blazon in “How to accomplish a time lapse,” and there will apparently be 100 pages assuming you how to do it. I mean, that’s the abundant affair about the Internet. Annihilation that you appetite to apperceive you can apperceive it aural 10 seconds. That’s article that has never been accessible in the history of time, really.
No, I haven’t absolutely heard from him. I apperceive he saw it, because his acquaintance contacted me and showed it to him. He never contacted me or anything. It was heavily aggressive by his still photos, and I ample I’d aloof booty it to the abutting akin and do a video on it.
For me, the analogue of “viral” is afterwards I watch a video it makes me appetite to column it to my Twitter, Facebook, or email it to a friend; that’s my analogue of viral. Anybody has a altered idea. Some bodies anticipate viral is afraid a video on YouTube. That’s not absolutely viral; that’s added of a agenda video. To me, viral is a assertive blazon of video that makes you appetite to allotment it to a acquaintance afterwards.
Over the years, I affectionate of came up with a little blueprint on how to do it. Authoritative a viral video is clashing any added average that exists. You charge to accept in apperception who your admirers is. If you’re aggravating to accomplish a viral video and you’re accomplishing it for a biologic company, no one is activity to watch that because the demographic is 50 and above, so it’s affectionate of absurd to accomplish article like that. You accept to absolutely accept a demographic of 13 to 30 year-olds. I accept three things that go into a viral video. First, it needs to be short; three-ish annual or beneath depending on what happens. The added one, which is apparently the best important one, is the 10 additional hook. There needs to be article in the aboriginal 10 abnormal that makes you appetite to watch accomplished the aboriginal 10 seconds. If you can angle them in, they’re a lot added acceptable to watch a little bit further. Then, afterwards that aboriginal 10 seconds, there needs to be some affectionate of sustainability. Maybe that’s a adventure arc, so in the aboriginal 10 abnormal you authorize that the appearance has a appetite or a need. It could be admirable cinematography like “Eclectic,” or it could be a absolutely able abstraction like Kina’s domino affair [for “Valentine”]. It’s air-conditioned booty on stop motion. Those three things assignment together, and the ultimate ambition is to anticipate the eyewitness from beat the aback button or absence through the video. If the eyewitness skips through the video, they are added than acceptable not activity to allotment it with a friend. If they bang the aback button, they’re absolutely not activity to allotment it to a friend. If we can anticipate those two things, they’re 20 times added acceptable to allotment it with their friends, put it on their Facebook, and put it on their Twitter. If you can get a eyewitness to do that, again your video becomes viral. If you breach bottomward any of my videos, it has those three things. If you booty Kina’s video, for example, we accept the dominoes, which is the hook, and the adventure amid the little characters is the sustainability that draws you to the end. If you attending at “3 Minutes,” the angle is, “You’ve got three minutes, go!” Harry [Shum Jr.] goes active off into the scene, and the sustainability is the gunfight and the lightsaber fight. The aberration at the end is the solidifying thing, which is like, “Oh my god, hey man, you’ve got to see this video.” I try to administer that blueprint to aggregate that I do. It seems to work. Some are added acknowledged than others, but you can’t accomplish a 10 actor appearance video every time.
That’s one of the affidavit why I fabricated “3 Minutes.” I fabricated it absolutely three annual because it affectionate of introduces a new ambit to the video. There’s the adventure world, and the actuality that the video is absolutely three annual gives the video a new dimension.
I wouldn’t say I’m a Brilliant Wars fan. I absolutely anticipate the furnishings apple is interesting, and the actuality that we can shoot a artery in LA and accomplish it attending like New York gets me excited. The Brilliant Wars apple is cool, but I wouldn’t say that I’m the Brilliant Wars nerd.
Part of it was we could accomplish lightsabers attending absolutely cool. If we took lightsabers out of the Brilliant Wars apple and put them in the absolute world, it could accomplish for a absolutely air-conditioned concept. Addition affair is that I apperceive that there’s a big Brilliant Wars fan abject on the Internet, and if we booty the lightsabers – bodies could analyze with ablaze sabers and everybody knows what a lightsaber is. That’s addition agency that played into the video to accomplish it added shareable.
That’s one affair that a lot of bodies don’t agency into their assignment is the marketability of what they’re doing. I anticipate advance is apparently 50 percent or added of a acknowledged video. Granted, you charge to accomplish a absolutely acceptable video, but the advance aspect, afterwards that, your video isn’t absolutely activity to go anywhere.
With the videos that I do, it all comes bottomward to what is activity to be acknowledged on the Internet. What bodies allotment on the Internet are funny cat videos and absolutely air-conditioned aesthetic videos. I’m aggravating to break out of the low assembly bulk apple breadth you accomplish brainless funny videos and get a lot of views. I’m aggravating to break in the actual aerial assembly bulk apple and accomplish actual aesthetic centered stuff. I appetite to be anticipation of as addition who can accomplish a absolutely air-conditioned video and accept money abaft it to accomplish article absolutely cool. What affectionate of drives me to do all of these out of the box annual is that bodies appetite to be wowed. I haven’t talked to anyone who doesn’t appetite to be wowed. If I can accomplish article breadth the actuality says, “Wow, I can’t accept I aloof watched that!” or “Wow, that’s so amazing!” I anticipate that speaks a lot to the viral-ability of something. The added viral I can accomplish something, the bigger it is for me and the bigger it is for the artist.
Inspiration comes from everywhere. I could be sitting at my banquet table and a bowl looks like a awe-inspiring thing, and that could be inspiration. Added than anything, though, my afflatus comes from added people’s work. It’s not aloof adage that I’m artful added people’s work, but if I booty one abstraction actuality and addition abstraction actuality and brew them together, it becomes article absolutely new – abnormally if I acquaint my appearance into it, it becomes article absolutely new. That’s why I don’t get mad at bodies who archetype annihilation I do because they got aggressive by me, and it’s the way art works. Anybody gets aggressive by anniversary other, and as continued as you don’t aboveboard booty my actuality and put it in article abroad it seems all fair game. Anybody makes article based on their activity experiences. If you acquaintance article absolutely cool, why not change that air-conditioned affair into article of your own?
If I were to accomplish a abounding breadth movie, it’d absolutely not be ball because I’m not absolutely acceptable at authoritative comedy. If you see my films, it has actual little actors, and ball requires a lot of actors. I anticipate it would accept activity it in, it would accept drama; it would accept some affectionate of abstruseness aspect to it, it would accept some affectionate of anxiety aspect of it. I would say it would be article forth the curve of Crash, Inception, or Forrest Gump. It would accept elements of everything, but I anticipate what would cull it all calm would be a solid adventure that played from alpha to end, that fabricated you feel acceptable at the end of it and accomplish you say, “That was an alarming movie.” I don’t accept any specific annual for a featured blur yet. We’re affectionate of alpha to attending bottomward that access a bit added now, but it absolutely would be article in the affecting abstruseness genre.
Cinematography is the capital affair that I booty into annual aback I accomplish my movies. Cinematography is one the bigger things for me. I’m added of a cinematographer-director than a writer-director or a choreographer-director.
I anticipate because of the actuality that we had no annual aback we attempt Clara’s video, that she was one of my favorites. It was added of a collaborative piece. Aback I aboriginal did a music video for her, she was alien to lots of people. The actuality that I played a allotment in blame off her career, the actuality that she’s absolutely accomplished and makes absolutely acceptable music, and how abundant success she’s had afterwards that; I anticipate that was my favorite. She’s a absolutely abundant person, and we adhere out all the time. She’s a absolutely air-conditioned girl. Our accord was added than aloof “I’m activity to accomplish a music video, here’s the music video, and we’re done.” It’s added than a accord now.
I’ve been absolutely aggravating to get to do article for Wilco; I’ve been alert to them a lot lately. Granted, they’re not annihilation huge, but I’d adulation to do Wilco. I’d adulation to do Phoenix; Phoenix is absolutely good. I would aloof say those two. Added than anything, I absolutely like to accomplish music videos for songs that I like rather than aloof accomplishing a video for the money. If I do a video for a song that I like, again I apperceive that I’m activity to like the video in the end, and I apperceive I’m activity to go the added mile to accomplish the video go.
Yeah. Granted, music that I don’t like, I don’t like their music videos either, but if some pop brilliant like Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, or Justin Bieber came up to me and said, “I appetite to do a music video with you,” I’d anon say, “Yes,” aloof because the addition that gives to your career and how it legitimizes you to so abounding almanac labels is so abundant able than the advertise out effect. I would say, “Yes,” in an instant.
I try and absolute the bulk of agreeable that I put up. I apperceive there’s bodies on YouTube like Freddy, CorridorDigital, or Wongfu that column up videos every distinct week, and they’ve gotten a huge fan abject by accomplishing that. Their videos don’t accept the accomplished assembly bulk to them. They’re affectionate of like home videos that are done absolutely well. For me, I can put a bigger video out there every week, but it won’t be a able attractive video. I appetite to casting myself as a able attractive administrator that can aftermath able attractive actuality and not aloof get a ton of views. To do that, it takes a continued time of conceptualizing and column assembly to accomplish a absolutely acceptable video. Some of the videos booty a annual and it’s adamantine to do that with a YouTube budget. Aback I absolution something, it’s article I apperceive I’m actual appreciative of and article that I apperceive that I spent lots of time alive on. Aback I’m conceptualizing the idea, if I don’t accept a acceptable abstraction I won’t accomplish the video. I don’t accept a borderline of abutting anniversary that the video needs to be done. If I can’t appear up with the new concept, I can anticipate some added and attending about some added for added ideas. I try not to absolution actuality aloof to absolution stuff.
I don’t absolutely analyze with actuality Asian only. I get to analyze with actuality both. I get the best of both worlds a little bit. Asians in new media accept been so acknowledged because–I apperceive it’s affectionate of stereotypical–Asians are computer savvy, and they use the Internet a lot. Asians compared to added contest use the Internet more. I don’t apperceive what it is about them, but it’s acceptable for Asians in new media because they now accept a belvedere to appearance their work. I anticipate for me, aback I’m abaft the camera, it doesn’t absolutely amount as abundant as if I was in advanced of the camera. I anticipate Asians in advanced of the camera accept a abundant harder time than Asians abaft the camera. If you’re Asian and you’re abaft the camera and you can accomplish article awesome, it doesn’t amount if you’re white, black, Latino, or whatever. As continued as you can accomplish article awesome, that’s all that matters. If you’re in advanced of the camera, bodies see you, and bodies get stereotypes from assertive characters, or it’s a lot harder to casting an Asian actuality in a role than annihilation else. In advanced of the camera is a lot tougher.
It’s a aggregate of everything. I consistently accept a few projects activity on at once. Appropriate now, I’m accomplishing column on one activity and planning addition project. It affectionate of all varies. A lot of times I’m aloof surfing the Internet attractive for ideas. I assumption that’s conceptualizing. I would say I’m either alive in pre-production or post-production best of the time. A lot of my shoots are aloof one day because we try to charge aggregate in one day and absorb all of our money in one day so that all of our assets are spent a lot better. All of my music videos are one day. A lot of my commercials are one-day shoots aloof because your assets are a lot added able-bodied spent if you fit aggregate into one day.
I anticipate the longest time I spent cutting was 15 hours. Best of the time, we usually blanket in 12 to 13 hours. I try not to go abundant added than that. I apperceive that some bodies go 15 to 18 hours. It gets to a point breadth anybody is aloof exhausted, and it’s not effective to go on any longer. It’s added than that. Usually we try to break beneath 12 hours and usually we do.
The accomplished acclaim would be addition administration my video on their Twitter, Facebook, or email. That is basically the accomplished acclaim because it’s the best effective compliment. I get bodies abrogation comments on my video saying, “Wow that was awesome!” but if they don’t allotment the video again it doesn’t absolutely become constructive. Already they allotment the video, all of a abrupt their abundant acclaim or aberrant acclaim turns into added angle that makes me added acknowledged or the artisan added successful. I anticipate that’s the accomplished compliment. Added than that, I get the, “Wow, that was cool” or “Wow, you’re such a abundant director,” but already you get a few of those they affectionate of aloof assortment up in a accumulation on their own. What’s alike bigger than that is aback a big blog picks it up. Gizmodo has featured my actuality a cardinal of times, and there’s been a cardinal of big blogs that accept featured my stuff. I anticipate that alike goes accomplished a acclaim because they accelerate cartage my way, and that’s the angelic beaker is accepting featured on a big blog.
We aloof accomplished post-production on a abbreviate blur alleged “Already Gone,” which is based on a featured script, and that’s absolution on April 16th. That’s the big affair that we’re alive on appropriate now because if this video is acknowledged again that would accord absorption to the featured script, and maybe we could get allotment to do a featured script. I’m additionally alive on a music video for Kina Grannis. I’m alive on a commercial, but I don’t anticipate I’m accustomed to say on what bartering I’m alive on absolutely yet. They’re absolutely clandestine about that affectionate of stuff. Lot of air-conditioned added actuality activity on.
The ultimate ambition would be to do a flat feature. 10 years from now would be abundant to do a 50 actor dollar or 100 actor dollar movie. Granted, I’m alone 26, so there’s still some time in there to apprentice added and become added acclimatized and all of that. I’m not absolutely hasty into accepting that all done, but the ultimate ambition would be to do a flat feature.
Harry is awesome. He’s one of the busiest guys I know. He’s consistently accommodating to go that added mile. He was accommodating to get dirtied up for “3 Minutes.” He was accommodating to get dirtied up for “Already Gone.” We developed a friendship. As continued as he has time, he’s consistently bottomward to do anything. That’s what’s so abundant about him. Alike admitting he’s on a primetime arrangement TV show, he’s consistently bottomward to do our little web videos for free. That’s what’s so abundant about him.
Ross Ching: I‘m appealing abundant aloof Ross Ching everywhere.Twitter: @RossChingInstagram: @RossChingVimeo: RossChingYouTube: RastaChingy. But no one absolutely follows me on YouTube. I don’t absolutely column abundant actuality on YouTube because I like branding myself as an aesthetic endeavor. Also, on YouTube, there’s usually addition abroad absorbed to the activity that can put it in a bigger atom than me, like with “3 Minutes,” Harry put it on his channel. Appealing abundant it’s Ross Ching everywhere. That’s how I fabricated it.
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